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« Thread Started on Sept 7, 2005, 11:05am » | |
this was a response I recieved regarding the article I wrote about Kanye's statements on Bush at the fundraiser. I figured I'd put it in here so that everone can see the responses and contribute to the discussion. I will withold the name so as not to put anyone's biz out there like that
Here's the article if you haven't read it http://onetwoonetwo.com/main/content/view/42/1/
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the guy who wrote that article should have checked out what mayor nagin actually said-- which was a lot of the same thing. Bush even had to admit the nuts was a problem, and admitted today that it is inappropriate to be calling these hurricane victims "refugees." nuts, even geraldo rivera and shepard smith from republican owned fox news were buggin off this and asking these questions, cryin on the tv holding black babies and saying they don't understand how this happened.
speaking the truth is not a problem-- what the truth IS in this case is what the d**n problem is.
we need people to face reality, not try to find ANOTHER reason in this country to leave the truth, the plain reality, the obvious issues..on the back burner for later while the symptoms or others problems are dealt with. the cat who wrote this seems like he missed the main point all of us are trying to make right now-- the citizens of New orleans are predominantly black, so the residents still left are predominantly black, which leaves some serious questions of 'why weren't victims treated better than this? is it because everybody knows that new orleans was gonna be left with predominantly poor blacks in the lurch, so no effort was made?" and the answer, let's face FACTS, HISTORY, and EVIDENCE, is... YES.
I agree, many agree, and many don't, but alot of the many who don't seem to benefit from that not being said- i.e. they are politicians or white people with a block against the evidence of racism in the united states still being alive and well.. this is just NOT what happened in new york, but it IS what happened in the tsunami, it's NOT what happened in florida, but it IS what happened in new orleans, it's what the 'projects' are about, it's what the lack of aids assistance in africa is about, it's what the pay gap and the music industry and the diamond trade and the police profiling and the infant mortality rate and the 'criminal justice system' inequalities and the educational opportunity disequality and the general day to day reality in institutions in this country is about.
it's f**king racism, bro, simple and plain. hasn't gone anywhere but slightly underground and less in your face. that's all. just because the people are less racist in their own minds doesn't mean it's gone anywhere when it comes to the people in power, and honestly, if no one says anything about it cuz it's too controversial or it's too tense of an atmosphere or because some people don't see it cuz they're in the majority or unaware of history... when do things change and how does it get done if everybody knows it's there and nobody does anything to fix it? I personally am SICK of that being the reality, and until I see change, i say let em have it.
peace.
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« Reply #1 on Sept 7, 2005, 11:07am » | |
wassup, I was the cat that wrote the article "Kanye on Bush...pause"
I was sent your response to that article so I just wanted to hit you up. I feel what you are saying and I agree. As I said, it's all true but and this is the point that I was making. That wasn't the right time. Kanye could have called a press conference on his own at anytime after or before that and articulated his thoughts alot clearer and they would have been heard better and had a longer lasting effect. If he would have said that in a forum that was specificaly for that purpose then his message couldn't have been passed over by the shock value and a dialogue would have had to be address. As it stands now, he said it, they reported it, they forgot it. The only people that really "heard" it were those of us who already know the truth behind his words and just nod in agreement to what he said.
By doing it during that live show made his message irrelevant, forgettable and overshadowed by the fact that he did it during the fundraiser. As I said the phones then lit up with people complaining about his comments and fighting for a phone line with people calling to donate. People were still trapped, still dieing, still sitting next to dead people. And if you have a specific race agenda in mind then let me rephrase, Black people were still trapped, Black people were still dieing, Black people were still sitting next to dead Black people. So hindering the aid effort to get to those people, those Black people at that time falls under the case of wrong time, wrong place.
Like I said, I agree with his message, I agree with what you said. My point was wrong place, wrong time, people are dieing at that very moment, it's not time for an alternate agenda. The mayor even said it as well, "Get us some help" not get the black people help, just get your asses here and help us.
Let's help, get those people to safety and something that resembles normalcy then March like Martin and Malcolm called for it but let's help those that need it now. As I said to someone else, what if you are laying in the street bleeding from the head from a motorcyle fall, would you want me to help you or stand over you and talk to you and all the people around about how you should have had on a helmet?
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« Reply #2 on Sept 7, 2005, 2:59pm » | |
response back from the same person who responded above.
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peace, not gonna get a chance to repsond to the forum cuz i'm not registered.
yeah, glad you got the chance to read my response.
I don't believe that there's ever a time for not dealing with truth-- yeah, motorcycle accident guy needs help, so yes, the EMS workers and doctors and surgeons shouldn't lecture him on wearing a helmet, but absolutely, parents and friends of motorcycle man can be outside the surgery room talking about "dude shoulda worn a helmet"--
especially because we are talking about people shelling out dough because the government seems to have lost our tax dollars that are set aside for these kinds of things to a sinking endless hole called war, let him speak, no perfect time to do it like when the man is throwing down a million on disaster relief efforts, which we all paid mad taxes towards and shouldn't need to hold telethons and get a million from every rich person in the country for... FEMA should have had that rescue and evacuation mission on lock, but they didn't, from lack of money and lack of effort.
we all know why they didn't have it together--and why nobody cared about those folks in New Orleans that were gonna get fucked even though they saw disaster was imminent. it's not a 'racial agenda' .. it's called racism. that's not someone's agenda, it's just the way it is. just like there is institutionalized classism in this country, there is institutionalized racism. period. both is what this was. it's not an activist agenda, it's truth. don't get it twisted, my life has been good and I still know racism is here.
let the rescuers do their thing, even let the red cross get more donations even though there was so much shadiness with their handling money in the past (and robbing people in need straight blind for that donated blood), cuz they do help, even if they rob you at the same time, but let's not bash someone for telling it like it is, especially because that was obviously not a planned coup, Kanye seemed genuinely hurt, disgusted and angry and couldn't hold it back and put on some fake jigaboo smile for the camera just to make the ignorant feel comfortable- he's there watching footage of our people being left to die in the streets in the ugliest way imaginable, giving money to a cause that shouldn't need money, that's part of what federal tax dollars go for- rescues, i'm talking about-- those telethons should be going into the 'keep us eating and clothed while we are displaced fund' not for rescues, medical attention, temporary shelter, and all the missions that should have already had enough funding..
like I said, let em have it, the truth needs to get spit and people need to get up and act and stop thinking it's all a party cuz ain't nothing changed in the long view and it won't if we don't do something about it, which means we gotta start talking, even if it seems like it's the wrong time-- a press conference later? what? kanye could never have planted those seeds of thought or sparked as much conversation as was sparked if he waited until it seemed to be a more appropriate time-- no time like NOW to change the status quo.
peace, love, and revolution bro. boo.
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« Reply #3 on Sept 7, 2005, 3:04pm » | |
again you are missing the point, it's not if he's right or if he's wrong because i agree that he was and is right in his statements. And I do believe that his statments came from a real emotional place. It seems that you can't or wont see the forest for the trees so to speak. You said in regards to the motorcycle analogy that
"yes, the EMS workers and doctors and surgeons shouldn't lecture him on wearing a helmet, but absolutely, parents and friends of motorcycle man can be outside the surgery room talking about "dude shoulda worn a helmet"
that's exactly my point made there. That fundraiser was for the EMS to get what they needed to help, that wasn't the outside in the waiting room place. Do you see what i'm saying? What Kanye did was stand there next to the EMS and doctors and surgeons and tell them "Dude shoulda worn a helmet". Not the time nor place.
We both agree that this needs to be said, this need to be handled and things need to change, that's not in debate. Hopefully a revolution of shifting mind states will come and we will pay more attention. We can play the blame game all we want and point fingers, that doesnt get anyone off of their roof or out of a living graveyard right now. Can we look past the interpersonal conflicts for a moment and look to the needs of us and them as people, as citizens of the same country, as human beings. Can we focus on the people that need help right now?
Watch the video to the end then watch it again, the end is the Truth, that's the Truth that never needs a right time to be brought forth, that's the Truth of right now.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/aaron_broussard.mov
"Shut up and send us somebody" <----- It's been repeated from the mayor, to the governer, to the people suffereing. That's the Truth of the now.
Peace to you.
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